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Post by Admin on Mar 4, 2008 20:35:17 GMT
Post them here.
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Post by TROWLIN' on Mar 4, 2008 23:49:36 GMT
...so you got rid of sig battles
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Post by Knighty on Mar 5, 2008 0:31:56 GMT
Seems a bit limited to me, but I could be mislead. ;D
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Post by Saknika on Mar 5, 2008 2:27:52 GMT
...so you got rid of sig battles Isn't that what SOTW is for?
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Post by TROWLIN' on Mar 5, 2008 2:31:19 GMT
...so you got rid of sig battles Isn't that what SOTW is for? sotw is a set theme, sig battles have different themes each time. sotw is limited, sig battles aren't. it's also two people of relatively even skill so it's better competition and not just tao ren winning every time.
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Post by Admin on Mar 5, 2008 3:55:42 GMT
1. I haven't completely decided whether or not we're going to outlaw them or allow them back. 2. The point is to practice. Doing the same thing over and over again in a palette of 400x100 won't get you anywhere. 3. Sig battles were dying. That's the point in a revamp.
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Post by Admin on Mar 5, 2008 4:03:56 GMT
I mean, if no one really likes the idea, we will remove them.
I just thought people might be able to get over wanting to do something that makes them look good (albeit to an internet forum composing of 13yr olds who have just opened Photoshop for the first time) and do something that would make them improve.
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Post by TROWLIN' on Mar 5, 2008 4:19:17 GMT
sig battles were the only thing that were happening in this i think you should allow sig battles and just single image battles as well as the ones you have now, though.
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Post by xavier on Mar 5, 2008 4:23:46 GMT
Some people still want to do sig battles. I'm sure if the structuring of sig battles was improved upon SSD could enjoy the new system plus a fairer old system.
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Post by Admin on Mar 5, 2008 16:58:58 GMT
After talking about this with a few other people, I've decided there will be no signature battles.
If you want to participate in a signature battle, there are SOTW competitions every week. We have SOTM in the Herald. You can still post them in Critique and get feedback. This is more than enough recognition for such a tiny piece of work.
It is time to move past this pathetic "we're graphic designers, but we shy away from anything that might require more than 400x100px of blank space." I can't tell you how much it scares me that on the website poll, 9 out of 19 members polled said they had been working in Photoshop for 4+ years and yet I can count the members who make anything other than signatures on my hand. Proboards RPG forums have battle boards for signatures. They have members who make decent signatures and never once affix the name "Graphic Designer" to themselves.
So explain to me why the largest design forum on Proboards can't provide more than a handful of designers who could actually even possibly use their art in the professional world?
It is good to start out on a small palette. It is good to take your first steps within a small area - and to be able to practice without spending 4-5 hours making a larger image. But these are first steps and I'm tired of entertaining a forum of babies.
If you can't move into a new arena and just deal with the fact that you won't be the best right off the bat, you will not succeed in anything in life.
And Solidsnake Designs is no longer going to provide an atmosphere that will lull you into superiority over something so ultimately irrelevant in the world of design.
If you aren't interested in these battles, they will be removed as an unused resource. But we will not be providing a broken and pathetic system to work with it when there are other avenues for this already.
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Post by .t.w.i.l.i.g.h.t. on Mar 5, 2008 18:16:28 GMT
Yeah, seems quite limited, seems more like these would be IOTM worth or LPOTM, since I doubt you are going to get these done. Most people were signature artists and used battle board to hone in on their skills to bump them up, critique was the practice area.
So it looks like I shall be going else where to work on signatures, bam, loss of activity. Waste of change.
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Post by eternity on Mar 5, 2008 18:19:08 GMT
Loss of activity? Did you look at this board before it was moved? Whether it was due to lack of rates or whatever, we weren't even getting signature battles any more.
Everyone on this forum is so against change apart from the damn template, it just seems like everyone has their wires crossed importance wise...
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Post by SilverWings [Birdie] on Mar 5, 2008 19:46:17 GMT
I think it is a good idea, and I appreciate all the work that has gone into this. Yes it got rid of signature battles, but it puts us designers in a larger light, I know I need the LP practice. As I am sure everyone does.
The boards were pretty much dying, and now maybe if you would stop whining and take part in the new system you could become more than a simple designer who can do what everyone else can do.
Honestly, you think you are a freaking designer because you can make a signature? Then you are a sad person. Anyone can make a signature, but a true designer can do so much more. So either take that and run with it, or shut up and go elsewhere.
No one in the professional world will take you serious if all you can do is make a damn signature like every other kid designer. So grow up and get some real skills that may help you at some point.
And you bitch and complain because there is no fucking battle board and then when there is one you bitch and complain because it isn't what you wanted. Seriously you are all a bunch of whiny ass 3 year olds who can never be satisfied.
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Post by xavier on Mar 6, 2008 0:20:28 GMT
And you bitch and complain because there is no fucking battle board and then when there is one you bitch and complain because it isn't what you wanted. Seriously you are all a bunch of whiny ass 3 year olds who can never be satisfied. Uncalled for.
As I'm not a designer and never have been, so I honestly don't care what system the battle board does or doesn't have in place as long as people are actually interested, and participating.
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Post by SilverWings [Birdie] on Mar 6, 2008 0:22:07 GMT
No it was called for, really. It is the truth. And if it didn't apply to you, then ignore it.
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Post by James on Mar 6, 2008 1:00:22 GMT
And you bitch and complain because there is no fucking battle board and then when there is one you bitch and complain because it isn't what you wanted. Seriously you are all a bunch of whiny ass 3 year olds who can never be satisfied. Uncalled for.
As I'm not a designer and never have been, so I honestly don't care what system the battle board does or doesn't have in place as long as people are actually interested, and participating. Then why are trying to voice your opinion on something you're not a part of? It is called for, that is exactly what is being done. Strangely enough, the same fucking thing is done about v6 and what had previously been worked on. Yeah, seems quite limited, seems more like these would be IOTM worth or LPOTM, since I doubt you are going to get these done. Most people were signature artists and used battle board to hone in on their skills to bump them up, critique was the practice area. There is a critique board that may be used. So it looks like I shall be going else where to work on signatures, bam, loss of activity. Waste of change. Worthless signatures can't be made anymore. That's a good loss of activity and certainly not a waste of change. The waste is you all not appreciating the change. I don't do anything in terms of signatures or graphic design anymore, but even I can see it's best to expand what you can do and move on.
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Post by Alan on Mar 6, 2008 1:11:21 GMT
Onwards and upwards people. I don't know when exactly it started because it's been like this as long as I can remember; but making signatures, and only signatures, is hardly pushing the envelope.
Yes, we all started there, and yes, we all like a nice signature. But make one and stick with it, then move on to something a little more challenging. You wouldn't get a coder sticking to Hello World, so let's try and keep designers from doing the equivalent.
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Post by xavier on Mar 6, 2008 1:19:56 GMT
Uncalled for.
As I'm not a designer and never have been, so I honestly don't care what system the battle board does or doesn't have in place as long as people are actually interested, and participating. Then why are trying to voice your opinion on something you're not a part of? It is called for, that is exactly what is being done. Strangely enough, the same fucking thing is done about v6 and what had previously been worked on. I moderated the battle board for two seasons (last time I'm mentioning this) and I regularly voted on battles, so I would call myself a part of 'it'.
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Post by Kay on Mar 6, 2008 1:57:05 GMT
Then why are trying to voice your opinion on something you're not a part of? It is called for, that is exactly what is being done. Strangely enough, the same fucking thing is done about v6 and what had previously been worked on. I moderated the battle board for two seasons and I regularly voted on battles, so I would call myself a part of 'it'. Fair enough. Everyone's voice is a key part of the community. But I must point out, dear. Telling Tonya that was uncalled for isn't in your job description. Like James said, it was called for. Honestly I'm sick of seeing everyone against any type of change other than the version. Without change and expansion, SSD will go nowhere. Even when I was a designer I didn't favor one thing, I expanded my horizons, and even beat the battle board number one at the time. It's called a great sense of satisfaction knowing you can make a great piece of art and not just a simple signature. Honestly, if there's something signature wise you'd like to do as a theme, suggest it in the proper thread for the SOTW board. In a way, it's still battling others, except it's a bigger group of contestants. Wooo? Get over it. Oh- Car and Alan put a lot of time, thought and creativity into it. To automatically shoot the idea down just 'cause signatures aren't allowed isn't fair. You guys want new things, people complain that it's too boring, that nothing changes. Here's a change, embrace it or suck it up and move on.
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Post by Saknika on Mar 6, 2008 3:24:39 GMT
I, personally, am VERY EXCITED about this. I'm kind of itching to start a battle, and then I look at the fact that I have college work I have to do as well... so I'm starting a battle using the new system, promise, I just have to make one that is going to be able to double for me as assignment-worthy too, or I'll never get a chance to shoot it. x'D
I'm also GLAD that the signature battles are gone, because when I'd come in to vote, that's all I'd see, and it became very monotonous and boring. Not to mention the fact that it seemed like some of you never changed the renders and stuff that you used on signatures. And because it was always signatures, I saw the same people over and over again. And always battling each other, the same two people competing. So what I am hoping is that by removing that as an option, everyone is going to have to get a lot more creative, and people will learn new techniques and stuff.
And here I'm normally so against change. xD
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