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Post by Vintage on Feb 22, 2008 4:31:34 GMT
ha, thats so true about the #. I feel the same way on other forums. Can I play the drums if you get the guitar? No gray this is a one man band, spotlight room for me. kidding you can play ... now we need a bass player and a singer
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Post by nrich on Feb 22, 2008 4:33:18 GMT
I love how these threads quickly turn into something entirely different than its original subject.
High five.
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Post by Kay on Feb 22, 2008 4:39:59 GMT
While what Pandy said was all true, and what I didn't want to say. I have to add this. Nathan says: i remember when the v6 layout leaked and nobody liked it Nathan says: and so oliver was like "okay then we wont put it up" Nathan says: its the members fault =P Nathan said that to me over MSN. And I agree with him one hundred percent. The skin that Car produced may not be top notch, but it was a beautiful skin, and one that could've made a bit of a change. Sure it was different, but seriously, why stick to the traditional trendwhorish schemes? It gets old. Almost all the designers that are still here that I've seen complain about v6 have nothing to offer when it comes to this because they don't try something new and different. Alan's taking his time with it. So you all know it's on its way, so how about you follow what Pandy said and drop the torches and pitchforks. It causes way too much unnecessary drama and arguing. If you think you can do better, again, the logout button's only a click away.
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Post by xavier on Feb 22, 2008 5:25:41 GMT
Pandora: Don't let this get you down. I know it's frustrating keep hearing people going on about a new skin, but these people don't really know what they are talking about and don't appreciate the situation. Remix: If you are that bothered by the lack of a new skin why are you still here? It's only a skin, it's not going to change anything important.
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Post by Remixed on Feb 22, 2008 5:36:19 GMT
Pandora: Don't let this get you down. I know it's frustrating keep hearing people going on about a new skin, but these people don't really know what they are talking about and don't appreciate the situation. Remix: If you are that bothered by the lack of a new skin why are you still here? It's only a skin, it's not going to change anything important. Because the new version wasn't the whole point of my post/blog, it's about keeping to the commitments and being able to voice my opinion on the matter without people thinking all I'm doing is bitching about something. And it's not just the skin I'm talking about.... I'm talking about a whole new version when I say that, new features, new template, new design, new possibilities to a forum that has so much potential. Pandora, I'm sorry if I offended/upset you, but 2(+/-) years promising and being let down, I think the members have a right to question and comment about the forum. I would say more to you Pandora, but I stand by what I say, and it's worth being heard, no matter if somebody gets offended or pissed off about it. EDIT: Actually, Pandora, I have one thing to say. You are saying you are sick of members having the same damn conversation... I think the whole community, even you, is sick of SSD having a negative vibe around the forums (at least that's how I feel, and judging by how many people have left and why they've left...) and sick of trying competitions and failing because nobody is around. New versions cure it. Don't respond to this saying content content content.... seriously, why is SSD, XD Designs, Roddy Innovations, and more all failing? Again, that was a rhetorical question.
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Post by xavier on Feb 22, 2008 5:52:05 GMT
EDIT: Actually, Pandora, I have one thing to say. You are saying you are sick of members having the same damn conversation... I think the whole community, even you, is sick of SSD having a negative vibe around the forums (at least that's how I feel, and judging by how many people have left and why they've left...) and sick of trying competitions and failing because nobody is around. New versions cure it. Don't respond to this saying content content content.... seriously, why is SSD, XD Designs, Roddy Innovations, and more all failing? Again, that was a rhetorical question. New versions don't cure problems. If you think SSD is suddenly going to become a much 'bigger and better' forum just because of a new version you are deluded.
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Post by gray929 on Feb 22, 2008 6:02:26 GMT
at least that's how I feel, and judging by how many people have left and why they've left...) Name 5 people who have left SSD the past few years, not by force (ban), due to their dismay with v6. I'll be damned.
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Post by Remixed on Feb 22, 2008 6:33:48 GMT
No, new versions aren't the cure, but they help. A lot.
I never said the reason why Version 6 was the reason why people have left, but because SSD has fallen. mastermind, urbancinderella, ellie... just a few off the top of my head.
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Post by nrich on Feb 22, 2008 6:41:45 GMT
No, new versions aren't the cure, but they help. A lot. I never said the reason why Version 6 was the reason why people have left, but because SSD has fallen. mastermind, urbancinderella, ellie... just a few off the top of my head. Because they have better things to do than to spend their lives on an internet forum? I don't lurk around the forum as often as I used to anymore because there's more productive things to do than that. Things change, dude. Get with the times.
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Post by Kay on Feb 22, 2008 7:04:43 GMT
No, new versions aren't the cure, but they help. A lot. I never said the reason why Version 6 was the reason why people have left, but because SSD has fallen. mastermind, urbancinderella, ellie... just a few off the top of my head. Ellie left because of conflicts with other members. UC is back if you cannot see, and Arty still floats around every so often. But he mainly left because of the attitude of a lot of people and he didn't want to associate with that. All in all that had not a damn thing to do with v6. The attitudes and immaturity of some situations that have occurred has nothing to do with v6. If that's why you guys have been pissy and immature as of lately, well then, I truly gave you more credit than deserved. Will, I use to be pretty good friends with you when you were active around here. I've seen SSD go through a lot of rough patches, and we've always pulled through. We will pull through this one as well. If you all doubt that, well then you're entitled to that. But the same "opinion" over and over gets tiring. Don't you think we got the point the first 20 times?
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Post by pandora on Feb 22, 2008 13:11:24 GMT
I was mostly responding to the locked thread because it was started and then locked before I even saw it.
Telling the staff to make the new version already is a moot point, at best, because it is currently getting worked on. An entire new version was made. People weren't happy with it, so it got scrapped. Now Alan is working on one. It's just a matter of being patient at this point.
Ellie left because of negative members. Artemis/Mastermind left because certain members drove him to it on purpose over some personal issues, the way I heard it. UC is an administrator and is part of V6's development.
You seem to keep forgetting that this is completely voluntary. It is voluntary to be a member, and it is voluntary to be on staff. I agree that it is frustrating to try and start projects and to have contests because of lack of participation. Notice how I stopped trying new contests on the Lit Board and just stick to helping people improve their writing. My help is appreciated there, and so I consider the Lit Board a success. Most members are patient for my critiques because they know I'm going to give them the best advice to my knowledge. Does that board have a staggeringly large number of posts? No, but it is steady and I have loyal regulars. That's good enough for me. I adjusted my modding style to fit in with the changing mood of the forum. Contests don't get enough entries? I won't offer them, just genuine help for the craft.
I'm a big advocate of people being able to voice their opinion. Free speech is very important to me. But you weren't offering anything helpful, just showing your impatience and bashing the staff. And what you're complaining about is being taken care of as we speak. It had to be started from scratch. That's the way it goes sometimes. It's enough pressure on Alan without the go-nowhere threads about it.
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Post by eternity on Feb 22, 2008 14:51:04 GMT
Just FYI V6 was only promised when we were working on the blue template and we all know what you thought of that so it was scrapped. Nothing has been promised since because of various reasons including that we were pissed off there was such a negative atmosphere about trying something new, we were busy and had trouble finding people to help after the slating of the first attempt. So it's basically the same old complaint with no new answers I'm afraid. We're busy, you can wait, if you don't like it, frankly you can fuck off And don't go saying "oh such and such can make it" such and such aint on the staff here so doesn't get a say, they are quite welcome to make a pretty template but it won't be for SSD because then it'll just be like using a pre-made It's not that we don't want to make a new skin, it's that we're taking time to make sure a) we have the right people for the job who aren't going to vanish half way through development b) we can actually finish it without real life issues getting in the way c) it won't get leaked again d) it's of decent quality to stop you guys whining and winging about how "we could do better" "it's not as good as version whatever" blah blah blah Honestly, I've never seen such shite over a template. You people are so spoilt with places like g101 and mAs giving you a new template (*cough* sorry, in most cases, rehashes of previous templates) every month because their staff have the time and get bored easily. You're just used to something that doesn't get done elsewhere and expect everyone to jump on the bandwagon and do the same. Well I'm sorry to tell you but that's not how things are done in most cases. PLEASE no more topics on this, the decision isn't going to change, you know that, we know that. Stop telling us you want a new template, WE KNOW ALREADY. We're not dumb, we can take this massive hint you keep slapping in our faces, the bruises still haven't healed from the last time it was brought up The template will come when WE are ready, not before, and it certainly will not be hurried up with threads like this. Drop it, be patient and if it's taking to long and you don't like that fact, leave. No one is making you stay.
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Post by Admin on Feb 25, 2008 16:03:32 GMT
Oh, and I'm sorry to be kicking a dead horse, but I just found it funny that my name was mentioned as leaving... when I actually stepped down from administrator, there were two reasons. One was personal and the other was v6.
Because I was working on it, and wanted to step away from all of the community activities I was heading so that I could actually focus on designing it faster while Oliver maintained the forum.
-laughs- I just thought it was ironic.
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